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    67% of Americans Oppose Individual Mandate

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    As the Supreme Court prepares to open hearings on the constitutionality of the federal health care law next week, a new poll finds that Americans oppose the law 52% to 41%. And an even higher percentage—67%—want the court to either throw out the entire Affordable Care Act, or at least ditch the individual mandate, which requires almost all Americans to be covered by health insurance.

    ABC News, which ran the poll along with the Washington Post, has never found majority support for the law. The most recent poll also finds that 70% of Americans say they've heard mostly negative buzz about the law recently; even among the law's supporters, 53% report hearing mainly negatives. While some portions of the law are popular—such as allowing parents to cover their children for longer—the individual mandate apparently counteracts all the positives. The poll found that 26% support the law in its entirety, but an additional 25% support it without the individual mandate.


    There was a really great special by Fareed Zakaria this weekend on health care around the world. To make a long story short, the rapidly developing island quasi-nation of Taiwan was looking for a health care model decades ago and when they looked at the US, they concluded that it was one of the worst models in the world. What they opted for was essentially the Bill Clinton health care law (single payer) that was attempted and thwarted by Republicans in 1994.

    Getting back to the individual mandate, I think it is because whites in the Republican base are too concerned about supposed lazy bastard blacks and racial minorities getting a free ride that they continue to oppose a better system, and thus everyone loses as the US spends some 1/4 of its GDP on health care, one of the most expensive systems in the world, and arguably one of the most inefficient.


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    "When I entered Republican politics during an earlier period of malaise, in the late seventies and early eighties, the movement got most of the big questions -- crime, inflation, the Cold War -- right. This time, the party is getting the big questions disastrously wrong."

    "In the aftershock of 2008, large numbers of Americans feel exploited and abused. Rather than workable solutions, my party is offering low taxes for the currently rich and high spending for the currently old, to be followed by who-knows-what and who-the-hell-cares. This isn't conservatism; it's a going-out-of-business sale for the baby-boom generation."


    - David Frum, former speech writer for George W. Bush

    "This is just ridiculous. I never thought as an economist I would have to spend so much time doing political analysis."

    - Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial

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    The constitution is a check set in place to make sure that laws are not enacted that infringe on the basic civil rights of the people. To hold the constitution above the rights of the people completely nullifies its existence in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaun894 View Post
    The constitution is a check set in place to make sure that laws are not enacted that infringe on the basic civil rights of the people. To hold the constitution above the rights of the people completely nullifies its existence in the first place.
    I don't think the Constitution is being held above the rights of the people. I don't think people have "a right" to affordable healthcare, but it is something that should be and it's something worth passing laws and voting people out of office for.
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    "When I entered Republican politics during an earlier period of malaise, in the late seventies and early eighties, the movement got most of the big questions -- crime, inflation, the Cold War -- right. This time, the party is getting the big questions disastrously wrong."

    "In the aftershock of 2008, large numbers of Americans feel exploited and abused. Rather than workable solutions, my party is offering low taxes for the currently rich and high spending for the currently old, to be followed by who-knows-what and who-the-hell-cares. This isn't conservatism; it's a going-out-of-business sale for the baby-boom generation."


    - David Frum, former speech writer for George W. Bush

    "This is just ridiculous. I never thought as an economist I would have to spend so much time doing political analysis."

    - Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial

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    I am afraid that the ever increasing percentage of Latinos and Afro/Asians in what was origionally a fairly homogeneous NW European population if not straight forward AngloSaxon society is going to completely skew American Politics with the Democratic Party becoming the party of the ethnic minorities ( added together majority ) and the Republicans, although they will deny it, the party of the 'Whites'. Eventually ( 10yrs,20yrs? ) the nation will be ungovernable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choke View Post
    I am afraid that the ever increasing percentage of Latinos and Afro/Asians in what was origionally a fairly homogeneous NW European population if not straight forward AngloSaxon society is going to completely skew American Politics with the Democratic Party becoming the party of the ethnic minorities ( added together majority ) and the Republicans, although they will deny it, the party of the 'Whites'. Eventually ( 10yrs,20yrs? ) the nation will be ungovernable.
    I think that's a racist opinion.
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    "When I entered Republican politics during an earlier period of malaise, in the late seventies and early eighties, the movement got most of the big questions -- crime, inflation, the Cold War -- right. This time, the party is getting the big questions disastrously wrong."

    "In the aftershock of 2008, large numbers of Americans feel exploited and abused. Rather than workable solutions, my party is offering low taxes for the currently rich and high spending for the currently old, to be followed by who-knows-what and who-the-hell-cares. This isn't conservatism; it's a going-out-of-business sale for the baby-boom generation."


    - David Frum, former speech writer for George W. Bush

    "This is just ridiculous. I never thought as an economist I would have to spend so much time doing political analysis."

    - Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial

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    Quote Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois View Post
    I think that's a racist opinion.
    Well, considering that 93% of blacks voted for Obama in 2012, I would say that not only was his comment
    not "racist", but was exceedingly accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enemigh View Post
    Well, considering that 93% of blacks voted for Obama in 2012, I would say that not only was his comment
    not "racist", but was exceedingly accurate.
    That fact does not make his comment accurate, nor not racist.
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    "When I entered Republican politics during an earlier period of malaise, in the late seventies and early eighties, the movement got most of the big questions -- crime, inflation, the Cold War -- right. This time, the party is getting the big questions disastrously wrong."

    "In the aftershock of 2008, large numbers of Americans feel exploited and abused. Rather than workable solutions, my party is offering low taxes for the currently rich and high spending for the currently old, to be followed by who-knows-what and who-the-hell-cares. This isn't conservatism; it's a going-out-of-business sale for the baby-boom generation."


    - David Frum, former speech writer for George W. Bush

    "This is just ridiculous. I never thought as an economist I would have to spend so much time doing political analysis."

    - Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial

 

 

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