Subtler Forum Rule Violations Thread

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Before I launch into this, W.E.B could you explain why the cut off is 2005, and not 2001? It's not because you realised that the Democrats circa the 107th (when they controlled the Senate) and 108th Congress filibustered and/or stalled 10 judicial nominees?


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Admin WEB Reply:

Talking about other people (i.e. what they "realised") is against forum rules. On a more substantive note: you are asking me if I used a dishonest tactic, which is unacceptable to me. It would have been more appropriate to simply ask why the cut off is 2005 and not 2001 without the "realised" bit.

[discuss]

How can you equate the Tea Party with Progressives? If I understand your position, you are stating that because neither is moderate, they are equal. That is not sound logic.

The public option was desired by the majority of the country. And if you throw in all the people who would support it if they weren't misinformed by the right about how the public option would work, you'd have a hard time finding many who would be against it.

Taking a look at Obama on three major areas.
Healthcare: Compromising with a weak plan (Obamacare) that doesn't control costs and leaves the health insurance companies in charge of things.
Foreign relations: Escalating an unwinnable war in Afghanistan and supporting a dysfunctional government in Iraq.
Domestic economy: Not saving homeowners from foreclosures and not supporting job growth

Obama could have done more in each category if he hadn't been so concerned with compromise with Republicans and blue dog Democrats. There is very little in his policies that differs from the Bush administration. Why do people want to continue to make excuses for a President that has surrounded himself with people who have damaged the economy and profited from it, and supported unwinnable wars? Look who he just hired as his chief of staff. What has he done about regulating Wall Street? The constant effort to appease conservatives within and without his own party has led to watered-down efforts in nearly every area of policy.

If you support most of what Obama has done, it suggests you're either easily pleased or essentially conservative.

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Admin WEB Reply:

Thank you for the information, but I don't seem to recall asking to have my personality analyzed by you. By the way, since you say that I'm a conservative, could you tell me what my position is on abortion? single payer? the war in Afghanistan? social security? school vouchers? taxes? laissez-faire economics? evolution? secularism? Since you've got me pegged as a conservative, surely you know where I stand on the issues.

Or not.

You are banned.

[FLOMAN]

Convenient to exclude& forget the fact Huck said before the election That he believed for certain Obama was born in HawaiiIt is true that ,Obama spent alot of time as a boy in foreign lands
In Richard Nixon's campaign, managed by Fox News chief Roger Ailes, Ailes recommended that Nixon plant people in the audience who would talk about "negros" or "niggers" and then Nixon would reproach that kind of rhetoric while saying that the US must have law and order. I wonder if Huckabee is also playing a sort of a game like that by sometimes saying Obama was born in the US and sometimes saying he was born in Kenya. It would be a sinister, but perhaps effective way to win the GOP nomination.

Huck saying Obama born in the US: "I know the Clintons well, and believe me they had lots of investigators out on him, and I’m convinced if there was anything they could have found on that they would have found it, and I promise they would have used it.”

Source (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/03/huckabee-asserts-hes-not-a-bir.html)

Huck saying Obama born in Kenya: " I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, [is] very different than the average American.

He repeated the claim, saying:

...if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather. "

Huck's spokesman later said that the Obama-Kenya remark was an accident, but it was strange that in Huckabee's talk he also went on to talk about the Mau-Mau rebellion which occurred in Kenya.

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Admin WEB Reply:


A couple things are wrong with this comment.


It's snide in a personal way.
It violates forum rule 1 by talking about what I "forgot", which is talking about me and not what I said.
It's sloppy and wrong. You claim that I don't mention that Huckabee said Obama was born in Hawaii. Actually, I did mention that. I didn't forget or exclude anything, you just didn't bother to read what I wrote.


I was going to give you a week off for your snide remarks on an another thread, but I'm going to make your vacation permanent. You are not a debater. You don't reply to rebuttals; you simply ignore them and fucking learn to spell.

Goodbye.


WEB

[dave fagan]

Any person in the USA who hasn't figured out that any US "Media" info on Libya, Cuba, or Venezuela requires independent verification is a little slow on the uptake. Libya, according the UN has the highest HDI (Human Development Index) in Africa. Cuba has the world's smallest carbon footprint and best medical care, and Venezuela has a strong economy with the citizens sharing more of the Nation's patrimony (oil). All three of these countries are anti-corporatism, anti-imperialist, and distribute more of national wealth to social programs.

The National Front for the Salvation of Libya, an organization financed by the CIA is the likely organizer of protestors in Libya. With the ubiquitous nature of cellphones and their built in cameras, it seems to beg the question, "Where is the evidence of atrocities and the air strikes ordered by Colonel Gathafi against his "unarmed" civilians?" Attacks on armories to prevent the spread of weapons have been acknowledged by Qaddafi. Very logical.

The people who do not realize that they are being manipulated by the US Media are the problem. Corporatism wants to distribute the Libyan OIL through a controllable stooge like Karzai, al Maliki, or a Latin American puppet. Who pulls those strings?

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Admin WEB Reply:

I just posted a link to a Washington Post story, so it seems that "any person" is me. So you're calling me "a little slow on the uptake." I'm not slow on the uptake, I'm just not crazy like you are, nor am I a deranged psychopath like you, who says that he "might think it's OK to shoot protesters if they are organized by foreigners."

In any case, you've made it all too easy for me to do what I wanted to do, with this unprovoked personal attack.

You are banned.

I was actually worried that I would not be able to get rid of you and would be stuck with you indefinitely. Thank you for this gift. lol

[PUNKY3612]

I think if anything whites are becoming a minority so maybe who's the racist? as far as Somalians in Maine Why bite the hand that feeds you? as a resident of Maine its allot worse then whats been written, Somalians had been located to a small city which relied on wool mills logging mills along the androscoggin river well these mills are gone so lewiston is left with far more residents than jobs so it became instant crime wave mostly fighting and steeling. Now comes Somalian sisters, cousins, brothers, aunts and uncles then they all have children and now we are flooded and still supporting them with federal tax dollars and five years tax free.
( Put the white mans reservation east of the Indian reservation )

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Admin WEB Reply:

I asked you if you called me a racist. You dodged.

I pointed out the racism in your words and your source. You dodged.

Either way you don't deserve to post here. Either you make personal attacks based on lies, or you will not defend your racism. You are banned.

[Starring_Emma]

You don't get treated the way you want, especially if you are a baby-killer.

The justice system found her not guilty of being a baby killer. What part of that are you having a hard time understanding.

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Admin WEB Reply:

Telling lies about what I said is one thing, but telling lies about what I can or cannot understand is another.

You are banned.

What part of that are you having a hard time understanding?

[chaos]

well, if you hadn't read that article properly! then let me help you Greg Palast has written about the US plans which were being made even before 9/11. He also wrote that [In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists".

"Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants. ] so the main objective of big oil was to privatize Iraq oil reserves. But that was just legalize their plan in reality they were going to give Iraq well's to American or Pro-American Jewish companies.

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Admin WEB Reply:

So I didn't "read the article properly" yet you still provide no proof that Iraqi oil fields are empty nor that think tanks are evil? You gotta go. You are banned.

[Sandy]

Well, you apparently have an attitude just like many Conservative forums. I have been on hundreds of forum sites and eventually been insulted for my Atheism. I will pass on this one.

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Admin WEB Reply:

You violated forum rules by talking about me and you are now banned. You can't quit because you're fired. No one mentioned your atheism, but it seems like you are being rude in anticipation of being insulted about it; a rather obnoxious way to behave. Good riddance.

[raymondo]

We were all fully aware of UK and French general and special forces troops readiness and deployment well before the No Fly Zone was mandated .
People talk to close families and friends the world over -- it is part of being "people"
The only unknown in the equation was whether we could get Abstentions from Russia and China .
Come on Mister Du Bois , do you really think the US could afford to be seen invading even one small Pacific coral island in 2011 given the stench from its performance over recent years and culminating in the unbelievable and horrific blunders of Iraq and Afghanistan ? The US has become the most hated force in modern History and is loathed throughout the Muslim world .It needed its allies to mask its true actions .
US official and documented Geo Political Strategy has been in the public domain , if you know where to look , for nearly a decade now . The required Crescent stretching from Afghanistan through to Northern Africa is a work in progress . Do you actually know what went on in Libya both in terms of expenditure and use of equipment ? Do you really think the UK , France and Italy could even afford the Gas ?
I admire Innocence , but when it turns to Denial , I cringe .

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Admin WEB Reply:

Looks like you didn't read the forum rules, like forum rule #1: don't talk about other members.

Since you've talked about me, I'll talk about you. Your modus operandi is to make things up. You make up wild conspiracies, and say that everything is headed for disaster. You state it as if it were fact and talk like you have facts to back up what you say, but everything you say is not based on facts or reason at all. It's nothing more than baseless things you believe and exist outside the realm of reason, facts and even the daily news.

With that, you are banned.

[Brayan]

Dear friend!
Your comments sound like an emotional statement. I am a quite fashion man, following all events and news.
The another problem is that maybe Ukraine these days resolved to have policy in another destination. (I mean pro-Russia course).
So what we will have got from this????
"Mercantalism"....
We live in modern society and time to bargain and to be useful. It's time of democracy, visits, summits, meetings even for buying smth.

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Admin WEB Reply:

Your comment is a violation of forum rule 8: Do not attempt to turn a member's beliefs or opinions into emotions.

Dismissing someone's comment as "emotional" does not address that comment, it is merely a roundabout personal attack, calling the other person "emotional". While you have called me emotional, notice how you didn't address a single thing I said.

I have no confidence that you will follow the forum rules. You are banned.

[Buzz]

Ya know...I'm beginning to believe the USA "DESERVES" a Tea Party run government.
The entirety of the western allies all have a national healthcare program...and then some...for exactly the same reasons. Insurance companies are...COMPANIES! They are concerned with PROFIT...not the health of the populace.
Yet down there you people find such a modern and practical idea...Communism....Marxism...I've heard this hundreds of times...so have you.

Obama "should" have told those "Blue-Dogs" to either get in line, or get out.
He "should" have made it abundantly clear to everyone that, 'You tow the line...or you are unwelcome.' Much like Republicans do.

He also "should" have told the T-Baggers to go to hell...a LONG time ago.
The Tea Party "movement" is dangerous. Its a sociological knee-jerk reaction to the last 12 years.
Thus although it is understandable...in a very base kind of way...it is undoubtedly DANGEROUS!

Just a thought...
Some Americans can't figure out why so many "foreigners" either dislike the USA, or are amused by the whole idea of "American Exceptionalism" and openly make jokes at America's expense. Me? I'm scared! I'm scared that the idiots are running the show down there. I'm scared that the USA will never manage to fix its social and economic problems, and will drag the rest of us into a war of epic proportions.

You people...IMO...act like a bunch of spoiled rotten, uneducated, brats!
The very idea that a blatant moron like Bachmann could be taken seriously as a presidential candidate is laughable...and we're laughing AT America...not with it.

Perhaps it past time America grows up and gets in the game...

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Admin WEB Reply:

"You people" refers to the people you are talking to, which would be the forum membership.

It is against forum rules to talk about forum members. Your saying that forum members act like a bunch of spoiled rotten, uneducated brats is talking about forum members and thus a violation of forum rules.

You are banned for violating forum rules.

[presluc]

As far as politics is concerned, there has been a purge by both wings of American politics to get rid of the very people who negotiate. On the left, we see the rise of the blogosphere and MSNBC who have little toleration for Democrats who are not purely liberal. On the right, it's far more evident. We see negotiators like Senator Richard Lugar under attack by the Tea Party, as well as longtime Senator Orrin Hatch. The Tea Party took out the more moderate candidate in the Nevada Senate race and replaced her with the idiot Sharon Angle, who was subsequently defeated. This occurred in Maryland as well with the idiot Christine O'Donnell, who was also defeated. This was also attempted in Alaska by Joe Miller defeating Lisa Murkowski in the Republican primary.

Americans are more divided now in their political beliefs and each side has created its own information network (MSNBC and liberal blogs and FOX and conservative/right wing blogs). This helps to polarize the debate.

As for the economy, with the demise of manufacturing jobs, unions have been crushed. Unions are attempted in retail stores and the most interesting thing to look at with regards to how the corporate leadership negotiates with them is to see the propaganda that all new employees are required to watch, which demonizes those unions. Both parties need to be strong or weak for there to be a negotiation, when one side is weak and the other strong, then there is not negotiation, just shitty terms for the weak and good terms for the strong.


WEB

Ah, Web, my friend you have always had a flair for stateing the obvious.

For me I like the simple talk.
Create more jobs put more Americans back to work and money for taxes as well as corporations as well as Real estate will increase.
If money increases cut down government pork spending the national debt can be payed down instead of increaseing.

I'm not saying High paying jobs but 2 or 3 dollars above the minumum wage.

I'm not saying any worker should be payed even with the cost of living ,after all workers never have been even with the cost of living got close a few times but never even.

Another thing to consider is the cost of outsourceing jobs over seas.

Now everybody knows that the labor is cheap but how does American materials get to a third world country or any country that has cheap labor, and how does the finished product get back to America.
There has to be some amount of extra fuel involved from going and coming.
Plus if there is ever a country that has a revolution or a blockade against America the corporations of America are screwed.
To think this can never happen is foolish it has before in China T square, in Cuba, in the Philipines, Korea.
America has no fly zones in parts of the world already.
Take all these into consideration against making products at home in America with non- union factories with a tax refund clause , plus what the corporations are already getting.
That would be something to negoiate.:cool:

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Admin WEB Reply:

Your saying that I have a flair for something is talking about me and a violation of forum rule 1: do not talk about other members. You are banned.

In the years since we last spoke you've changed for better and worse. Your comments are bolder than they were before, however you've picked up that smugness and sarcasm that liberals are famous for. I've always considered you more of a useful idiot. You're easily outgunned in a condescension game.

[WolfLarsen]

Actually in the incident in Oakland the protesters were hemmed in by the police and the protesters were chanting, "LET US GO! LET US GO!" The police had the protesters trapped and the police savagely attacked the protesters.

The police are doing the same thing to the Occupy Wall Street protesters that they did to white workers on the picket line in Longview, Washington and black people in the ghetto. The police are terrorizing the American people with violence.

As for burning the American flag that is their First Amendment right to freedom of expression, of course those who support the police and the government appear to be against the First Amendment right to freedom of expression.

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Admin WEB Reply:

You are done here. It appears that you are referring to me when you say "those who support the police and the government appear to be against the First Amendment right to freedom of expression".

(1) It's rude to refer to someone indirectly when they are right in front of you.

(2) Your intent compounds the problem: a deliberate attempt to tell lies about me while minimizing your accountability for telling those lies by hiding in a grey area of saying "those" which can be used to imply things and then disavow having implied them. Also, your comment is highly uncivil because you deliberately chose assuming the worst (which you knew that I would not support) and avoided asking me what I support because you WANTED to assume the worst about me. With such dishonesty on your part, our conversations cease to be debate or discussion and become half discussion/half cowardly sneaking in insults. Only offering that, you become a liability to this forum and are thus profitably banned.

Probably tired of me pointing out the ridiculousness of not just your communist beliefs, but the crudeness and low quality with which you represent those beliefs, you have decided to say something nasty about me. Unlike yourself (who offers a target rich environment whenever he opens his mouth), my comments were straight-forward, logical and not terribly controversial, thus depriving you the the opportunity to get revenge, thus you decided to try to fabricate your own opportunity with a lie.

You make a claim about police abuses that may or may not be true, assume it is true, (1) assume I know that it's true and (2) assume that I support police abuses. The problem is that I never said I accepted your allegations and I never supported police abuse, so it's a lie. Your defense for your lie is to hide in a grey area of saying hey I was only referring to "those", I didn't say you, which is obviously another lie since the article is not about "those" who support one thing or the other, I'm the only one on the thread supporting one position or another, so "those" must be me. The moderately rude "those who support..." was the vehicle through which your attempt to slander and get away with it traveled on, thus elevating it to a banable offense.

From your tactics in rudeness, I have discerned two new rules to be necessary, which I will be writing into the forum rules later:

* Do not use the phrase "you are" or "you're"

* Do not refer to people indirectly (i.e. "those who support policy X are against the First Amendment"). Comment directly on what someone has said directly instead (your support of policy X is against the First Amendment).

Not that this concerns you anymore. Unless you join a forum just for communists, I suspect you will become a whipping boy at your next destination. See ya.

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

This is a thread for the storage and display of subtler forum rules violations.

[jdayer]

BTW in the time it took me to formulate the above reply the forum logged me out and then deleted my post when I logged back in. That might be one of the reasons for the number of active posters.

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Admin WEB Reply:

Your comment is very disrespectful towards the forum. Forum rules state that it is against the rules to trash the forum. You are banned.